retained records could not be sought in civil litigation, divorce proceeding, criminal proceedings, immigration proceedings, or any other kind of legal process? i don't know who wants to take that, maybe doj. brad? >> is a record that the companies keep for some period of time now, and they can be obtained as patty mentioned thread nsl or grand jury subpoena whatever. they don't enjoy fourth dynamic protection. but -- fourth amendment protection for as long as you require companies to keep them then that david has been kept by a company for a longer time. so if you create a five year period, and that's information that is available and can be subpoenaed, private lawyers can subpoena the data. i mean, the data is not, it's not private in that sense but to the extent people have concerns about the data being held with the help of a grid of time by the private sector to record. so that's at least conceivably concern for the. >> once the bid is destroyed by the company come of course it's not available, which is on the privacy side, a good thing because hackers can't get into it. and as you indicat